" Incidentally, it is easier to remove nipples from a clothing mesh (if they are present and you don't want them) than it is to add them if they aren't there. Reason: if the modeler models a smooth shape, there won't be enough vertices to raise a nipple with a magnet. Should you need to."

amen.

"Blackhearted-
Most women, wait...this might shock you, WEAR BRAS :) And even though the bra may not be on V3 in my renders, I still create the image as if the bra was there. That's realistic, believe it or not. Do you think, perhaps, that we women walk around without bras all the time?"

even under things such as baby tees? tank tops? youre absolutely right, that would shock me. ehh, perhaps we hang out with a different crowd then. unless you have very large breasts that require constant support, a tight shirt gives all the support necessary.

since you mentioned the bras under clothing thing though, ill bring up one of my pet peeves...
V3, and most morphs in the marketplace, do not have a breast shape that even remotely resembles breasts suppported in a bra. they range from giant silicone-injected spheres to wierd conelike protrusions, to better morphs with natural, gravity-influenced breasts - yet none look like they would in a bra.
when i create a morph such as my GND pack recently, i create the breasts as they would be naturally, unsupported. if i make clothing that doesnt require a bra and wouldnt be very suppportive then i just model it over the basic body. however if i create something that requires a bra, acts like a bra, or is a bra, then ill morph the entire chest into a proper shape - with cleavage and support. id like to see more people do this, rather than model a bra - or shudder corset - over V3's default chest and waist. clothing such as bras and corsets do not just fit over the body, they shape the body. a bra or corset modeled over V3's default body will never look right - and if someone thinks they do then they have never seen a woman in one.

"I would suggest that you go and research that a little more.. but do it discretely :) As a woman I consider myself an authority on female nipples :) I am confident when I say that unless cool temperaturs, irritation, or erm....something else, enters the picture, that most non lactating women do not have nipples poking through their clothing on a regular basis :) and if they are lactating I would hope that they had a padded nursing bra on ;)"

again, lets just agree to disagree - since you are not going to convince me otherwise. you have your opinion, and perhaps based on your experience or social environment it is absolutely correct. not so for me, however.
the 'most women wear bras' statement doesnt prove anything either - since it depends on the type of bra. rios, for example, show through non-padded bras (and the shirt on top of them) quite prominently. a thin mesh, lace or cotton bra is meant to support the breasts, not conceal the nipples. bras with thicker or padded cups do.

as a modeler if i create an item of clothing and i feel that there would realistically be nipples showing through, i will include them on the mesh. interestingly enough, the last 3 clothing items i just finished up do not have nipples showing... but thats because they are of a type that would conceal them.

cheers,
-gabriel **edited to fix some HTML errorsMessage edited on: 01/16/2006 11:53