Whilst I'm aware Bryce is missing many features, my biggest issue remains the crippling render times... I have a full-on job that leaves me very little time for this hobby, and increasingly I seem to be starting a render before I leave for work so that it will be ready when I return. My experience with Vue 4 and the Carrara demo suggests that this issue doesn't exist (to the same extent) in other products. (BTW Carrara recently introduced a cross-grade price for other 2/3d packages) In terms of Bryce 6 - can't see them getting anything major out ahead of Vista. Why would they? They must have an eye on the significant changes that will introduced with Vista, and in keeping feature parity between the OS's they get the opportunity to finally do some real Mac OS X work. We also shouldn't forget that Daz are a tiny company, with (very) limited resources (27 employees in May of last year). Those resources first and foremost are always going to be used in support of the companies business model - and that is the sale of models/accessories. This is what keeps the price of Bryce (artificially) low - to pull through the content. I don't see that changing after the effort to develop and integrate Daz|Studio. (As an aside, a product which also a proves to me Daz don't understand UI's) As much as I love Bryce and would prefer to see it developed to equal Vue, Carrara, etc - years of neglect at Corel, Daz' resources and business model seem against it. :-( Garry