Hi Harmen - I'm not sure I remember well, but I think Tom was one of the people I talked to. I'll have to track him down and ask again(?) to make sure. He does have some VERY nice flame designs, one that I especially like a TON. I'm nutz for flames on light/white backgrounds - the neat way they melt into the background and the semi-transparent vibe. And thanks for the link! That's WAY cool. I'll have to dig thru my flames and layers/shapes library and see if I can't come up with a face sorta like the one in the "Man in the Box" video by Alice in Chains. Rick