I love render-talk! Maxwell has some impressive results, but alas, it's still years behind mental ray, V-ray, and Brazil. You can do anything Maxwell can do with mental ray, for example, and it's much, much faster. And you can do a million things with MR that you simply cannot do with Maxwell, period. For the price, a new version of Max (which ships with mental ray AND V-ray) would be a far, far better bargain, and of course at the top-end would be Maya and XSI. Foleypro, I have to disagree with you... Bryce has the slowest ray-tracing engine on the market, period. Mostly it's because it IS a pure ray-tracer, with no scanline functionality. Terragen is also pretty slow, but nothing beats Bryce for sampling redundancy... Don't get me wrong, I love Bryce just fine! But after years of using other software, I've realized just how slow it's engine really is. Scenes that take minutes in Bryce take seconds in mental ray, literally. Not that I think Max is such a great program, but still... This is the main thing holding Bryce from the professional mainstream : you simply cannot animate heavy scenes in Bryce. But I'm not naysaying for no reason! I'm looking forward to version 6 as much as the next person, I assure you! And hopefully DAZ makes us something special... I'm dreading the possible need for Vue Infinite.