"It would be a little bit more of fair comparison if you actually attached a Bump Map to the left side renders.. Bump maps have a massive effect on the quality of a render.." ============================================================ Yes, I can see your point. I'll be doin' that tommorrow as well, I did the comparison that wAy because I wanted to use the default FS untouched {Save for the texture maps}To illustrate the improvements made to the limited Default node setup. Also, I wasn't concerned for the surface comparison as much as the lighting for which I originally took issue with.