ummmm.... but scott... you dont need a neck geometry object for the jp's to be there. because, normally, i have, say, the horseconformer cr2, which is the zeroed out horse. plug in your new obj that has, like hip, abdomen, chest, but no legs, etc. okay, so the cr2 has obj pointers to all the body parts, but the obj doesnt have them in there. that's fine, you save it to the library, poser leaves the body part pieces in, just takes out the geom pointers. that's in the top half. in the bottom half of the cr2, all the jp info and such is still all there. that doesn't get lost. so, theoretically... you shouldn't need to have an actual neck obj to keep the neck jps. unless humans are weird. :)