okay, I got it rendered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! does the happy dance this is the FIRST time I have been able to render one of my images this large without it giving me a memory error and aborting the render... when setting up the diffuse layer in GloWorm, I turned off EVERYTHING that didn't need to be on, including raytracing, and it FINALLY worked...I'll test it some more soon with more renders that I've not been able to get rendered and see if I finally found the rendering formula I need to get 'er done! L if I get a few more images rendered successfully, then it'll be full steam ahead for me... thankyou SOOOOO much to everyone for their input...I've been fighting this battle for so long now, I was about to give up on Poser for the rendering end of my image creation, but now I may not have to! I know that GloWorm is a HUGE part of this success, combined with the right settings...THANKYOU POSEWORKS and THANKYOU EVERYONE WHO GAVE THEIR INPUT :D Karen

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