Cool, I had a quick look at a couple of vids this morning before work (any excuse not to go just yet) looks interesting, I can just about see how you could use it to map photos onto a model. I spent most of sunday playing qith ZSpheres and have got to a level that is just below actually usable :) I'm going to have a go at displacement mapping some clothes I'm working on later. Will do a small tute if it all works ok. Just a thought on needing a manaquin for cloth modelling, while not ideal, why not import a poser figure and position it front on in Zb then drop it to the canvas, then repeat with side on (keeping the scale the same). While not ideal you could use those models to get a good approximation for the initial mesh. Then have a look at the Cloth primitives in my freestif to get the mesh to fit better, then export to Zb to add detail etc. Sounds a bit impractical but I'm sure with a bit of work it'll work out. John

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