I dunno about PS Marlene I have PSP, but I had noticed that from the very little I have worked with PS, it was virtually the same thing just a little harder to navigate for me. I just created a "new" canvas, filled it with the color I preferred. In my case that is going to be either black with white font or white with black font as my 'frames' are always either black or white. Hmmmm maybe I should buttonize it as well? I dunno yet. Andreas I like yours! Will definately take that suggestion and put it to use, thank you! Yes Doug I know how to use tubes, it will take me a bit to remember how to make a tube, because it was a very long time ago that I used PSP for this. That is like the first thing I learned to do, second was animation shop! OK going to go play in PSP now! Thank you all for your answers. Brenda :)