trav, blackhearted, jim burton - i look forward to the time when your work is available. the hybridizing is a perfect example of exactly why i'd like more merchants to fully support p5/p6. yeah, i can play in the material room to improve a ppp optimized product, but it won't be at all at the level it would be if done by a good merchant with a better skillset and a coherent vision for the piece. i enjoy learning, and i'm making my own forays into learning more about the material, cloth and hair rooms. i'm not just wishing for a point-n-click solution. i'm not an expert, and if most of the experts stay back with ppp technologies, i'm positive a lot of interesting and beneficial avenues of exploration will be missed. thank you all again for your information on hybridizing.