@shinyary2... "I'm pretty happy with it, but I know it can be much, much better".................... OK, If you know it can be better.....how?? If you feel this is right, why dont you try to imagine what will make it look better?? (I've often thought this about my work.....and every one could be much much better but, where do you stop!) What was your thoughts before you started this work and how did you see this image in your mind being finished/look like? (If its anything like mine....its never finished!!) Did you have a plan of the finished object and what has made you ask for more help for the other two sections if you havent finished it yet?? Sorry for these questions but its my new year trend to ask myself this before i upload another picture and then i ask, how could it be changed, and then make another section/greeble/object with the new ideas.....then you have 2 models for the price of one...so to speak! ;) I cant see anything wrong with what you have at the moment...just go with your flow and I'm sure it will be as good as the first greeble..........have faith in yourself ;) Marc

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