P4 Worked fine out of the box for me and has done since day one. P5 i bought when it came out and i gave up in disgust. P6 i waited on, but as i saw more and more problems arising i decided against it. My point remains... if i buy something i expect it to work. I buy a fair amount of software and games, they work. So why does Poser have to be different, are the designers not capable of producing a finished, consumer ready product?