Honestly, if I can get a picture done that matches the idea I have in my brain and that I won't be embarassed for anyone to see, I'm gonna count it was a personal win. That's my goal. Baby steps, you know? I was just kidding about winning the contest (even though I covet the prize); I still have a lot to learn about lighting and textures (among other things) before I become A Force To Be Reckoned With, contest-wise. So don't worry, I don't plan to be a sore loser. Much. --Terri