I know it sounds like I was bashing them, and i sorta was for the money they charge I felt a little riped off. But i do see a lot of good info there. Just need t drop the price or increase the quality to make the $$$ value they are asking. as to the labels, I'm fine with it. just use a good ink at least. the slightest damp finger smudged mine. Even Epson's cheapy printers are water resistent. I purchase these types of discs and usually watch them,learn what I need and in turn resell them on places like E-bay. Now I don't expect to get full price return off them, but with the water smudge it's going to drop it a lot. I loose because of thier savings

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Hexagon, Carrara, Sculptris, and recently Sketchup.