Guys, I absolutely appreciate your efforts on this. I think the final thing I have not explored is the opengl factor. So Ill do that tonight. Been a long day. At least I figured out I can at least parent the hr2 file to the neck, this gives me some degree of control of movement. Oh and Amloid, I did try PrepH, but it didnt seem to work. Mind if I borrow your lip balm? :) Have a good night guys and gals. Chris~