guardian angels thats what that was. thing is i can render that set just fine. yet i can't render 2 figures on no background with clothes. also, were you using firefly? im not even using that, i always use P4 renderer, still can't load very many textures. PC is a dual core AMD 4600 X2, 2GB ram, geforce 7800 GTX. so yeah, it isn't the polygons, or at least not in my case. im sure there's a way to increase bucket size or something, i guess i should do some more research.