I just stated that it seemed all the arguements have been made and it was time to move on and let this thread die a natural death. I still feel that way. Continuing to post here when theres really nothing left to say is really going to turn this thread down the wrong road. There are opposing opinions on this and thats fine. People stated their views so lets move on. As for the Poser forum thread, the mods and coords in that forum will do what is appropriate for their area. Sandy and I are over this forum so that is why I am talking about this thread only. Stacey