I saw that about flames in the FAQs. Don't try to talk sense into the publishers. They'll do whatever they damn well please. These calendars are sold next to Britney Spears and the Beefcake Firemen and it is pretty obvious that this is about marketing, not fine art. If you don't want to play, don't play. If you do choose to play, be smart and play the odds. Look at what the publishers publish and mimic that, at least on most of your images, and submit a few that are not typical of what has been published. If no one submits flames then no flames will ever be published, but don't put all of your eggs in one basket. As far as Panny and Linda's role in this goes, I could not be more confident in them. I know that they are fair and honest. There's no conspiracy against flames. A few weeks ago I had face to face conversion with Linda about the calendar. I am convinced that her intentions are pure and are focused on the good of the fractal community. (Believe me, I am holding back on what I really want to say to those who question her integrity and I think that Rick was way too nice) The publishers are focused on selling calendars. They are not concerned about the community or the current state of fractal art. Play or don't play, but leave Panny and Linda alone. It's none of your business how they conduct theirs. This isn't a democracy, it's a business. I have had 2 images on the cover and it was great fun. I don't feel like either image represented my best work. In fact, I hardly even like the one that was in last year's, but it was still fun. I'll never forget when I went to the bookstore and hung around the calendars to see how people reacted. I wasn't there long when a guy started looking at the calendar. I told him that I created the image that he was looking at. He bought the calendar and had me sign it. It was cool. By the way, I didn't make it in this year's or next. Get your hopes up. Everyone should submit images. My first image that made it was created when I was just starting with fractals. Beginners make it in. Keith