I'd rather spend my hard earned cash on specific things rather than packs and software I'll use once or not at all once I get them. >>> Then upgrade to Poser6, get to know James, learn the face room (free and included with Poser), learn how to use the included morphs, learn to make your own morphs in Wings (free) and your own clothes. You'll not have to purchase anything else and you'll get all the character differentiation you'll ever need, male-wise. It is my rational opinion that James is a superior model to Michael. ::::: Opera :::::