Hi Irish First of all - lovely image! >8o) I'm trying to understand if you're saying that using 5.08 the scene with identical settings render's better than in 5.09 (do you have a before/after comparison you could use to demonstrate to Tech Support, or if you're saying that you would just like Vue to render it better anyway? When you say your scene uses no Lights - are you using a HDR / IBL image to light the scene? Would increasing the Camera Exposure help, or Boost the Lighting Quality or AA Quality? Just some thoughts off the top of my head. >8o) Kind regards