Haha thanks ernyoka1 for the answer and the defense - I come here for answers, not lectures. I'm looking at the Poser manual right now and it's not helping - so I ask here. If someone can supply the answer I need (like you) then all the thanks in the world - in fact, the forum has been more than helpful and I will contribute the same way minus the condscending tone if I have something to add to a question. I wouldn't twist anyone's arm to answer any questions therefore, if one does not want to answer such "petty" questions - they shouldn't. Very simple, this forum is not a ditactorship or a regime as far as I know. Oh, and thanks again for the nice simple answer... found out what I needed to know without receiving a demerit from the principal. Rock on! :o)