Wonderful! You are doing those very complex fractals that I'm interested in learning to do. I'm happy to see a whole gallery just for ArtMatic, even if it's small at present. Are there any tutorials that you know of for working with fractal renders in Photoshop? I keep seeing things in the fractal gallery that look like 3 dimensional fractal forms or that feature a fractal that looks as if it's bulging out of the picture plane. I have a new version of Photoshop, but am not finding tutorials to do that kind of manipulation of the image. (The ones I see in the gallery are usually done in XenoDream or UltraFractal) Thank you for your help! I'm a rank beginner at both fractals and at Photoshop (though I can do elementary postwork on Poser renders at present) Patricia