Has anyone tried running the tail of the ponytail >> through the cloth room for a more relaxed fit? Good idea. That should work. In spite of the "no thickness" folklore, I've found that the Cloth Room (at least in P5; hopefully they haven't "fixed" it) works just fine to make soft body parts, etc. Used with PoserPhysics, you could get realistic give when you bounce a beachball off someone's head.... M