In fairness, I think opera was referring to the site sucking, not the product. At least, i hope that's what they meant - it's kind of hard to state a product sucks that you haven't found, but it does make sense to be frustrated by a website you can't navigate around. and opera, I apologise for not givign you a link straight to their pose-net page. i'm so used to navigating there, i did'nt think anyone would have difficulty finding the relevant info. The fault is mine, and I apologise. jonthecelt