To put this in perspective. Let's assume you purchase Shade Pro, for a hunk of money. If you want to talk to other Shade users at CP, you also need to pony up a Passport. That's pretty short-sighted, if you ask me. CP is the "official Poser site" in the sense that it is affiliated with e-Frontier. If I own Poser, I would expect access to the Poser forum to be part of the deal. And if I had spent that hunk of money on Shade Pro, I'd be pretty disgusted at the money-grubbing mentality of the forum setup. Regarding the bear: One reason I want to see some renders is that it doesn't look all that great to me either. On the other hand, I've been pinin' for a bear for some time now, and DAZ + VIP is out of reach for now. Maybe I'll find a render somewhere else. M