acadia. the tut you menioned worked a treat. i at last am now able to load runtimes outside of poser and use as needed. big big thanks. fixer. i was originally doing as you said fixer. the problem i had was that i had so many files loaded it took an age to scroll through things like poses and stuff this way i can have all aikos things in a foledr, all v3 in another and load or unload runtimes as i see fit. i can still have subfolders for each runtime which is a good suggestion ..thanks. jules. slowdown on startup is also one of the reasons i needed and wanted to structure my out of poser runtimes. this was at the end of a session i can simply click onto an empty runtime i have and when i return to poser i'm at the start up window in no time at all. i know it may not seem much to those who know the ins and outs of poser but the help i got on this was a big big thing. i only hope i can be of help in the same way once i become a little more proficient with it. at least all my time won't be spent tring to sort my runtimes out lmao billy