Yes, I'm using version 8. I've seen Riptide and could probably use it eventually. The groups now aren't really the problem. It's all that jp setting and everything. It seems like there is no save points while every joint seems to need so much attention. I used the P4manlo for the basic skeletal structure with alterations to the neck. And a buttocks was added for buffer zones. Everything in Poser is just so tedious to adjust. I wish there was a way to do everything outside of it. Here's how it looks so far.