For what it's worth the reason I heard why the Poser 6 characters have taken a 'step back, as it were, and removed the buttock 'bone' from their rigging, is in anticipation of the new rigging solutino coming in Poser 7. Of course, this was just hearsay, and I'm jiggered if I can now remember where I was this nugget of information, but I jut thought I'd pass it on. Rumour has it, that Poser 7 is going to update the rigging set-up so that unsightly creases and other stuf are a thing of the past... But then again, it might just be rumour. jonthecelt