Fish - wish it was that easy ;o) Thanks for the replies, I was hoping to just use Daz's Catsuit on Vicky3, but those options aren't going to work together. I have two other options though, they just require me to do more stuff manually: 1) Render each picture twice and composite them to copy the shiny costume onto the render with non-shiny skin. 2) Look at Daz's transmaps etc and make sure the black is 100% black and apply it to all the channels (bump etc) so that the grainy effect isn't trying to show on the hidden bits. Actually, both of these might be workable. Daz's Catsuit is very flexible, but I don't need to change it all the time like transformers. I like short sleeves and a V neck is all. So I could hack the files so they don't try to bumpmap outside of those parts, etc, then save my version for my own use. Or I could render each pic twice, seems silly but still much faster than a firefly p6 render, and composite them, which after a few times will only take a couple of minutes. For a great render, thats worth doing. Thanks again for the responses! Take Care, Corum.