WOW! That did subdivide nicely! I'm getting the creasing thing down but it's still not coming out as smooth as I would like...It's getting there, but I feel as if I'm adding too many verticies to the model. After seeing how many polygons your model has, I know I am! I'll keep working on it. This gives me some good ideas. Thanks for posting your model! I really appreciate it! Oh yeah, nice lighting in your scene. The textures are excellent too! rockjockjared