Thanks 4blueyes..I will try that :0) Once again I repeat..I won't diss Daz..I have to give them credit for creating a successful model..you have to remember back then nobody else was creating an alternative.. Another reason is that there are merchants who sell there and here also such as Quarker..I don't think they sell at Daz because they are cult followers :0) It's not always big that attracts the band wagon either..a good example would be Long Hair Evolution..look at the following it got..and it's a freebie :0)