Thanks for all that advice. I've been following it to a tee. We musta gone to the same school, Gluttons4Pnshment High? Right? I know I save and save and then I'm wondering what's good and what's not. I forget when I'm looking at 10 different files of the same thing. I have a few different skeletons saved too. about 5. I'm getting confused. I can't wait to be done with him so his folders could use a good douching. Back to jointing. ;-9 Grrr.