can't use Carrara for current projects becuase i need dynamic hair, it does not support it, and rendering close in with Carrara with fine hair and skin....no speed gain on render. Also, I found Carrara's animation slider to be WAY sluggish, so Carrara could only be used as a render platform, no animation, dynamic sym, etc. Stickin' with Poser for now. "one of the effects i was testing, take a spec node, set for slightly larger than the cornea, and allow it drives ambient value then ambient color is the texture map used on the iris the iris "glows" a bit where light hits it" Okay, that sounds like something interesting. Please post back if you get it going. I am very interested in making eyes glow under extreme low light. BTW, easy to turn her eyes blue with one click, but she is from Asia, that would not be Orientally Correct. ::::: Opera :::::