Adrain> I didn't see this post until after I answered the one about the horse...As I said, Im a newbie to photoshop but I have been learning a lot about patterens and such...May I ask, do use Bryce? I have found that Bryce lets you get out a lot of the basic texture BS by simply bring in anything you create and assign it to your object...Hey, Im a rookie but I get it to work..