I agree Maxx, once you learn to use 'Mulit/Sub' Mats it makes more sense. Although, my putter was not very powerful back then. So, my limit was 20 subs per set. Anyways, i hated having to scroll through long lists. LOL Stonemason, thanks for the "pep talk". But, the reason i should refrain from helping with MAX questions is that i haven't use it in a bit(except to convert .max files). So, there are "Gaps" in my memory from lack of use. & there's lots more proficient folks in MAX then me here. I've switched to C4D, because it's workflow better suits my needs & those of my clients... Marcus