Jimbo, as Maxx said, you have to be very patient and methodical to learn to control hair in the Poser hair room. But it IS a good tool; it is attainable. I would suggest starting with rock solid dynamic hair, and then only changing one variable at a time, in increments, until you see it affect things. My suggestion is to start with "Position Force" at a high value, say .03 which should make it not move at all in a simple animation. Then, lower it gradually until you get just a little motion. Once you gague the temperment of "Position Force" you could try altering the damping settings. It might take 200 renders to get to first base, or second. ::::: Opera :::::