I'll check into stomp. And for the cr2 referencing thing? Yes, it does refer to the new object both times. The cr2 name !OG refers to a new obj. named OG! with bad Poser re-grouping. If I reference the original on the second instance with the good groups, then save it again would that work? I guess I'll find out. Nope didn't work. Tried replacing one, then the other, then both. My grouped original is the right scale but shows up immense when it's plugged in. When I scale it down it completely screws up when any pose is attempted.