*"look at the NASA moon landing pictures again" I said/meant the real world, as in on our planet. If I do a landscape of the moon with no atmosphere, than sure, I'll use very darker, harder edged shadows. *"why a shadow setting of anything other than 100 is wrong" Lol..I never use 100. Never will, its just not real-world realistic, never will be, and I have tried to always stay away from anything that is going to make a scene look more like kiddie "3D" than real-world. Check out what ANY professional/working artist has to say about pure black shadows in 3D. *"If you've been in a room with no windows and switched the light off, then you've 'seen' a totally dark shadow" Nah, not even then. Yet, if that room was painted with a flat black paint, I mean every wall, the floor and the ceiling, AND you were dressed from the top of your head to your feet in black, then yes, lol...you would have a pure black shadow, because ONLY then would you have the possibility of NO radiosity, and then you could have pure black. PJF - your first pic; "and there are no walls to provide any bounced light" - the ground around the block would bounce light back and forth from the back of the block. The center of your shadow would be dark enough for the untrained human eye to call black. PJF - Your second pic - that's just a horrible Bryce problem, and its always haunted me and pissed me off to NO end. But in almost all other scenes, you'll never really notice it. Yet, this absolutely needs fixed in B6.0, period. Again, all I'm talking about is the REAL world, NOT Bryce's limited world, and I'm talking about ON planet Earth, lol. Unless your on the moon, pure black shadows look like crap. AgentSmith

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