Wolf, thanks for commenting, I know you have extensive experience with this and was hoping you'd see these threads. Yes...I am DELIBERATELY choosing the close-in, subtle-head-and-eye-movement, strand hair realism, interactive conversational type of female AND MALE character scenes (watch this space for the big reveal this spring). And no disrespect intended to those who have chosen a different paradigm. I am beginning to reach similar conclusions to yours, but also discovering that not only is Poser better than Carrara on dynamic hair, the issue of render speed on close-in skin, with beautiful mood shadows and SSS/anisotropic effects, there is a feature/implementation gap as well. My expoloration was just a calculated shot at hitting a triple down into the corner on the first pitch, if Carrara could indeed take complete Poser scenes OF MY TYPE and render them with speedy dispatch with minimal fuss. ::::: Opera :::::