Thanks mathman! I had found that site year or more ago, was sure id dl'ed everything, couldnt find a single text on my HDs. Must have been part of the content lost in my most recent HD crash. I just made sure to dl those earlier this week. Yanno there are 99 of them there to dl? I know REALLY well now that there are 99 of them to dl. My fingers HURT lol! also, Jim Burton rocks! I need to seriously sit down with Posette 2003 and see how Mordikar's armors conform to her.... Logan