You'd still have to play around to reduce the overall specularity, and as I said earlier, there are too many (5) lights in my default setup, it was just to give you something to play with.. (I was trying to do the examples within the 'Rosity 15-min deadline for posts. I failed. Got bounced back to main forum. I could have set up a better example if I'd known I had more time..) But anyway, hope that helps.. Play with the idea:-)) Cheers, Diolma Of course, if you're using a version of Poser that is pre V5, then ignore all the above:-((