I hope you didn't think I was trying to discourage you. I was just trying to say to take your time and don't get discouraged. There's a lot people around these sites that will help you out. One thing I might suggest about the bending problems.. try moving the joint centers a little to see if it helps the bending. Just change them on one side.. that way if you can use figure symmetry to set them back to what they were before you tried adjusting them. I usually just delete the figure from the scene or start a new scene if I don't like my results. As long as you don't save the one with the changes to your library the joints will have the original centers Ed