Rayraz, i don't appreciate you mocking or slandering my work. i find it offensive, and take pride in knowing something you do NOT know : I am not left-handed! you contradicted yourself in the last two posts heavily, and considering your inability to communicate effectively i'll go ahead and withdraw from this conversation. sarcasm, insult, and unkind words leave me agreeing with the general consensus about Renderosity, but i won't blame you for everything, just for those things i just mentioned. Pumeco, there's not any way i can think of to get you to upgrade to a more advanced renderer or package, but i'll tell you that your renders are nice! still, there'e nothing there that you need pro-render for : it's just straight Bryce, and still looks like Bryce, and although they are clean it's obvious at a glance that it's CGI. i am not trying to discourage you in any way, and hope you continue progressing! i believe i came across too aggressively, but still managed to unify the Bryce community to be pro-Pro-Render... sometimes it takes an outsider to unify insiders?