Sorry, but you're coming from two different angles. Like I said, I don't "fully" understand your last statement. I feel I know what you're getting at, but didn't think it would go down well if it were pasted in the thread, and so I didn't (presumably for the same reason you didn't). What I don't understand is why you did it. I can't answer what I think you're trying to say because if I did, then it would hardly be discreet would it - you see what I'm saying? Thank's for liking the renders, and for suggesting I'd be good enough to handle a better one. For what it's worth I've got nothing against Maya, it's users, or indeed any of the 'high-end' applications - why would I? The thing is, I get annoyed when people discuss what I 'should' be doing with stuff I simply can't afford to buy. It's even worse when you're told that anything you do is basically a waste of time in comparison. If you want to say something you don't want people to read, just IM me - I don't bite ;-) Len.

The wait can be horrific, but the outcome can be worse - pumeco 2006