"they're just DAZ-bashing CL fanboys" ...talk about the pot calling the kettle black... Don't misunderstand though. 2 of the 3 examples I cited are simply marketing decisions on daz part. I'm sure at least some of the various shopping channels on cable these days are very profitable, although I wouldn't give any of them more than 10 seconds of my time. I'm just not one of those people you'll see dancing around in glee because I got a free set of steak knives with my brand new air purifier. Nothing wrong with the business model if it works, but it should be expected that a lot of people will avoid it.