Kix, I can see a difference from 1 to 4, but only in the light from underneath, not the sky... anyway, that is beside the point. You are saying you want better controls over the sun and atmosphere, without using lights. I remember the old days of having to use loads of lights, all adjusted to different levels to light a scene just so. Now it is easier. I like the ability to not have shadows effect a particular object in the scene - wow! Nice presentation. I started 3d using Extreme 3D by Macromedia. Anyone remember that old app.?

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