hmmm... just got an email saying... "Hello Jon, This automated message is to let you know that geep has posted a reply to your message on the Renderosity.com Poser Forum. You can click the link below to read their response: Subject: +++ DG#205 +++ Poser's Other Props (cont'd) +++ Page 20 ... http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2587560 Regards, Renderosity Staff" So I get here... no page 20 yet... any ideas what's going on? jonthecelt