@Fran LOL. @Rochr You know, its 'seeing is believing'.....in 'wire frame' mode its easier to see how things come together and how its made. I always imagine your work as large...very large, and all as one model, and it doesnt matter how much i try to get some idea on how you did it, i never thought its lots of smaller bits all added on together.......brain dead I'm afraid ;(.... Now, seeing it in the wire frame show how easier it all can be done....(Like your 'Mecha' model.....still love playing with it ;) thanks). Thankyou again for your help Rudy and I bet it also helps Fran the same way too. Appreciate that very much :) Marc (off to play with C4D (Sorry TheBryster, but it WILL end in Bryce).

Smile, your dead a long time :)