Now you have my attention. I understand that apo has evolved into a standalone program but I am not at all convinced that its incompatibility with UF is as it should be. I think that apo needs UF and that incompatibility with UF is a shot in the foot of apo. Imagine if the Microsoft Office applications were not compatible with each other. Those tools are powerful because they can be used together. Rick, your flame compositions yell "get Apophysis" as much as they say "get UF". Apo needs UF. The world of apo is better because of UF. I understand that beggars can't be choosers and I am a beggar, but I am convinced that a beta version that is fully compatible with a UF formula will be used more than any other version. Apo is shooting itself in the foot when it isn't compatible with UF.