Hear, Hear! Or is it Here, Here! Or Heir Heir! But that's something I hate to cut because it doesn't ALL seem to grow back...LOL. I agree the two programs are interdependent in a lot of ways but I'm just not sure the current "owners" of the program see it that way. It's their "baby" and I get the feeling that they want to "leave the nest" and fly with their own wings in their own direction. Which is a natural thing. As things stand now, you'd still need like 3 different ucl's to get an image rendered if they are a mix of old/new ones. - BTW thanks a TON for those, Susan, and I'm sorry I misspelled your last name above. I have a friend with that surname and he spells his with an "i". What might be WAY cool is if someone figured out how to program Apo into/within the UF environment with all of the image editing/layering stuff. Now THERE's something that would be worth a lot to have!